God - Is he/she real?

i think the real argument here is whether Jesus was divine, because historians already agree He existed, but are just in dispute over His acts

im gonna say no, cauz there is no proof and the all the thing in bible were proved wrong by the science.
its posible that science is wrong, but i belive it more than a (sorry for saying this) perverted organization, who probably makes and spends more money than some sucesfull guys

SirLagALot|HAC*L wrote:

i think the real argument here is whether Jesus was divine, because historians already agree He existed, but are just in dispute over His acts

yeah i heard that.
i dont belive he was divine.
my dad told me this.
you know that he gave to a starving hord of people only fish and a loaf of bread and when the plate comed back everytinh was still there (or sumtihn)

he said that every poor guy dindt wanted to stand out, by taking the only food, or he/she thought that there is still some1 more needy of that. so every1 brought with them something to eat. and jesuz sayed that was a miracle.

Lone Wolf wrote:

SirLagALot|HAC*L wrote:

i think the real argument here is whether Jesus was divine, because historians already agree He existed, but are just in dispute over His acts

yeah i heard that.
i dont belive he was divine.
my dad told me this.
you know that he gave to a starving hord of people only fish and a loaf of bread and when the plate comed back everytinh was still there (or sumtihn)

he said that every poor guy dindt wanted to stand out, by taking the only food, or he/she thought that there is still some1 more needy of that. so every1 brought with them something to eat. and jesuz sayed that was a miracle.

however thats just your dad telling you that and there aint no proof to back it up

Lonewolf wrote:

im gonna say no, cauz there is no proof and the all the thing in bible were proved wrong by the science.
its posible that science is wrong, but i belive it more than a (sorry for saying this) perverted organization, who probably makes and spends more money than some sucesfull guys

and how were they proven wrong by science, as sirlagalot says, historians agree Jesus existed, so science cant disprove that Jesus existed.

burning sulfur DID destroy sodom and gomorrah. look it up. there are little balls of sulfur where the remnants of the cities are.

Big bang, evolution = theories
Bible = Tales & stories

Yea sure, Jesus existed, so what? He was a normal dude who happened to believe in God and spread the religion. He was probably very believable dude and got many people on his side. Like Hitler and few other people. (Im not saying Jesus and Hitler were the same! So don't take it like that. Hitler was a piece of ****)

Anyways it looks like no one can disprove the bigbang theory either.

what about how order cannot come from disorder? an explosion causes disorder. yet order comes from the big bang. i cant put a stick of dynamite in the ingredients of a cake and blow it up and expect a cake.

nothing cannot come from something.

Imagine bazooka the biggest rock of all time,and it explodes little rocks will
fly from it and you don't expect a big rock,or cake but those chunks turn into
something else.

like what? and where does said explosion come from?

?GDC|Bazooka|HAC wrote:

i cant put a stick of dynamite in the ingredients of a cake and blow it up and expect a cake.

Actually, that's called chemistry.

You won't get the perfect cake, but look at it this way. Moleculs are stuck with eachother, when blowing them up, you heat the molecules, so that they split into atoms. The atoms form new stuff with eachother. there's your cake.

This same should have happend in the universe, moleculs with very high speed clashed into eachother, creating the bang.

actually, the big bang happened because of all the energy in the universe. before the big bang, there was little mass, but lots of energy. as we know from Einstien's equation, mass and energy are just different forms of the same thing
basically, imagine all the mass in the universe converted to energy via E=mC^2.
that's a whole lotta energy
this energy can't be stable enough to continue existing in such a state, and quantum fluctuation demands that it shift states on a continual basis
eventually, the random fluctuation caused enough mass to be formed to create the big bang, when it interacted with the rest of the energy

NERD TALK!!!!!!
xd

bazooka, my dad saw that on discovery scieence

What you mean order comes from the big bang?

i dont like the idea that we get commands from a thing that explodes all the time

kNite wrote:

What you mean order comes from the big bang?

according to evolution, there was the big bang which created the universe or whatever. but an explosion causes disorder, not order. so only smaller pieces of exploded stuff would be result of the big bang, not what is today

No, I doubt that bazooka.

I believe the big bang wasn't an explosion, but it was a big clumb of mass and energy melting together.

i readed something
that it ware 2 even plates of universe when they crush agains each other they get rimbled and there become stars and planets. then they move away from each other after a couple of millenia they crush again so its start all over again.

Rubberduck wrote:

No, I doubt that bazooka.

I believe the big bang wasn't an explosion, but it was a big clumb of mass and energy melting together.

then why is it called the big BANG

@hardstyle, yeh, that's where the big bounce comes in, it's an alternate theory

This topic is so pointless.

Definition of god or deity - "any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world
or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force"

So...therefore... God, gods, the Buddhas, fricken Shiva/Vishnu, they all exist as a 'god' only if they are being worshipped.

So technically there IS a god if you believe there is by definition. If you don't, then there is no need for the word 'god' and therefore it does NOT exist.

Case closed?

?GDC|Bazooka|HAC wrote:

Rubberduck wrote:

No, I doubt that bazooka.

I believe the big bang wasn't an explosion, but it was a big clumb of mass and energy melting together.

then why is it called the big BANG

yea, it created a shockwave did it? that's why people called it big bang.

*sigh* this is about the only "intresting" debate topic we have left.

My post was totally ignored...

*GDC|OvErMiNd|THP wrote:

This topic is so pointless.

Definition of god or deity - "any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world
or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force"

So...therefore... God, gods, the Buddhas, fricken Shiva/Vishnu, they all exist as a 'god' only if they are being worshipped.

So
technically there IS a god if you believe there is by definition. If
you don't, then there is no need for the word 'god' and therefore it
does NOT exist.

I agree with this.

not ignored, OM, we just have nothing better to do but argue endlessly
but delling, i'm really interested in that book you were talking about, will you post some excerpts in a new thread?

I tried,by using Google scholar,but they don't have it.But don't worry I ordered
the book cost me 20 bucks.But I will post things on here from it.